[Blindapple] Legal Issue Concerning the Math Games disk and possibly others

John Schucker gwynn at tds.net
Wed Sep 11 16:24:47 EDT 2013

While I agree in principle, understand that you're wrong. Out of print 
music is still copyrighted music, and thus, illegal to download. So you 
might not have problems in the sense that obscure small label which 
actually went out of business isn't going to come and prosecute you, but 
it's still illegal. So if the people doing the list and emulators are 
trying to stay as legal as possible, then they might not want to do that.

Understand, I've downloaded out of print stuff myself. In fact I found 
out about an artist I really like that way, found his page, and bought 
stuff from him when he started doing reissues. This stuff is on really 
obscure labels that often do limited runs, like 500 copies, or even 50. 
So if I download it and like it, I try to pay attention for reissues, 
I've gotten quite a few things that way, even new stuff that wasn't on 
blogs and such. But in terms of legality and copyright, I still 
shouldn't be doing that, even though the artist in question said nothing 
when I told him how I'd found him, and has been very appreciative of my 
purchases of his reissues. So like I said, if the goal is to be as legal 
as possible when distributing software and such, the fact that you can't 
get it any other way doesn't really mean anything, legally speaking. 
Sucks, but there you go. If it were me, I'd just distribute stuff, I'm 
with you on that. Oh and in case anybody might be interested, here's a 
sample of the artist in question, a guy named Richard Skelton, but he 
does a bunch of different projects with different names.


And here's his site, in case anybody wants to buy any of his stuff.


On 9/11/2013 13:57, Brent Buswell wrote:
> Hi Guys,
> I happened to see that post earlier regarding the Math games disk. I 
> am certain that if you wish to contribute this disk to our collection 
> that there will be no trouble for you. For one thing, it isn't even 
> available for purchase anymore so that automatically makes it fair 
> game. We have issues like this crop up all the time in the music 
> business with recordings that are out-of-print. There is just no other 
> way to get these things unless you download them, or can find a way to 
> get hold of them some other way.
> Also, if the website that was mentioned seems to have disappeared then 
> that tells me that the company might not even really be in operation 
> anymore. The missing documentation regarding ownership also further 
> validates that this, and other disks like it, can be shared without 
> any worries.
> If this disk is contributed, that would be really awesome because my 
> little daughter is just about at the age where she could start to work 
> with things like this and it would really help me work with her on her 
> math skills and make it fun too. She is also blind and already shows 
> interest in the old Apple 2ee!
> Thanks again, and I hope that the Math disk is made available.
> Brent Buswell
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