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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Hi,</div>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Please feel free to send me, or this
list, for that matter, whatever you've imaged and want to send.
There's never any harm in sending things we already have. In fact,
from a preservation perspective, it's better to have sent stuff
unnecessarily, rather than not sending it, then later losing
possibly unique items which were never sent anywhere else.</div>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Jayson</div>
<div class="moz-cite-prefix"><br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 10/23/2020 11:39 PM, Tiny
Puppy-butchb wrote:<br>
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<div>Thanks much. I suppose most of what I have is already out
there. I had a bunch of apple and eamon stuff years ago but
lost it all in a hard drive crash or something. Anyhow, I do
have sendspace. I've got several games disks, but don't recall
without looking what is on them. Mostly text games, such as
kidnapped, stoneville manor, Oregon trail and so forth. Anyone
is welcome to anything I have, but I'm likely walking paths
that have been walked before. Later. </div>
<div> </div>
<div>----- Original Message -----
<div><b>From:</b> <a title="jaybird@bluegrasspals.com"
href="mailto:jaybird@bluegrasspals.com"
moz-do-not-send="true">Jayson Smith</a> </div>
<div><b>To:</b> <a title="blindapple@bluegrasspals.com"
href="mailto:blindapple@bluegrasspals.com"
moz-do-not-send="true">Apple Discussions</a> </div>
<div><b>Sent:</b> Friday, October 23, 2020 8:35 PM</div>
<div><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Blindapple] Fwd: Re: introduction</div>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Hi,</div>
<div class="moz-cite-prefix"><br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">As far as I know, most if not all
Eamon games are well preserved, as they were imaged many years
ago. I don't know who's actually hosting them now, but Eamon is
still very much available.</div>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">As for Dropbox, in short, it's a file
sync service where you create an account and download a piece of
software to install on your computer. They dropped support for
Windows XP a few years ago. Visit dropbox.com for more info.
With a free account you get a few gigabytes of storage, not sure
how many, and you can create and join shared folders. On the
subject of which…</div>
<div class="moz-cite-prefix"><br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">The Talking Apple Archive folder is
such a shared folder. Only a few people have full read/write
access, most members have read-only access. A few people have
their own directory where they put disk images they've created,
programs they wrote, etc. Most material is in categorized
folders E.G. accessibility, educational, games, productivity,
utilities, etc. Anyone interested in joining who already has
Dropbox, just Email me at <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated"
href="mailto:jaybird@bluegrasspals.com" moz-do-not-send="true">jaybird@bluegrasspals.com</a>
with your Email address and I can get you set up. If you want a
folder for your own material, just let me know what you want
your folder to be called.</div>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Jayson</div>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 10/23/2020 9:36 PM, Tiny
Puppy-butchb wrote:<br>
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<div>I've been looking all day through some boxes of disks I
could find. Still missing some I know. Only4 or 5 eamon
disks and I had more than that. Did find dos sample disk,
prodos disk as well as lots of games disks I haven't done
yet. Also, a computer aids directory disk, anyone remember
that program. I redid that one so there is no copy
protection, fun to look at again. Also computer aids info,
and I think term-talk. I don't know anything about drop box,
so if some one can write me off list and explain that, I could
likely do that, although sendspace just renewed my account for
another year which I would cancel if I could figure out how.
</div>
<div>----- Original Message -----
<div><b>From:</b> <a title="joseph.norton@gmail.com"
href="mailto:joseph.norton@gmail.com"
moz-do-not-send="true">Joseph Norton</a> </div>
<div><b>To:</b> <a title="blindapple@bluegrasspals.com"
href="mailto:blindapple@bluegrasspals.com"
moz-do-not-send="true">Blind Apple Discussions</a> </div>
<div><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, October 22, 2020 2:56 PM</div>
<div><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Blindapple] Fwd: Re: introduction</div>
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<div>Hi Butch:</div>
<div><br>
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<div>Glad you got it working.</div>
<div><br>
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<div>If you want to send one of them to my Gmail it should be
able to take an attachment that size.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>I can let you know if everything went OK on this end.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Thanks</div>
<div><br>
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<blockquote type="cite">On Oct 22, 2020, at 12:11 AM, Tiny
Puppy-butchb <<a href="mailto:butchb@fairpoint.net"
moz-do-not-send="true">butchb@fairpoint.net</a>>
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<div>Well, I finally got it to work. I'm not certain it
was worth this hastle, but hated to give up. I set
switches as you suggested, also turned the jumper over
so I could use a straight cable, although I don't think
my null modem ones were the problem. What I finally did
was drag out an old windows copy of a program called
secureterm. It let me strip off the 8gh bit and also
set a delay between lines. That finally did the trick
as far as the adp program went. I tried and tried, but
never could get the basic to transfer right. It kept
screwing up line numbers. Once I got the other working,
I did some apple images and also restored the adt123
disk so I now have the basic configuration program if I
want it. I am still looking for a lot of my apple
disks, but do have prodos master, and dos 3.3, as well
as a bunch of text games. Still looking for my eamon
disks. I'll have to figure out where to put these if
any one wants them. I've fought this thing since last
Friday. Never did get the 2 c to work, they are just
one strange computer. One of mine won't even boot up.
</div>
<div> </div>
<div>Thanks everyone for your help. </div>
<div> </div>
<div>----- Original Message -----
<div><b>From:</b> <a title="cmelloni@hotmail.com"
href="mailto:cmelloni@hotmail.com"
moz-do-not-send="true">A B</a> </div>
<div><b>To:</b> <a title="blindapple@bluegrasspals.com"
href="mailto:blindapple@bluegrasspals.com"
moz-do-not-send="true">Blind Apple Discussions</a> </div>
<div><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, October 21, 2020 8:00 PM</div>
<div><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Blindapple] Fwd: Re:
introduction</div>
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<div><br>
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<div>Yes, switch 1 (SW1) is towards the front of the
computer. switch 2 (SW2) is on its right side holding
the super serial card with the component side facing
you.</div>
<div>The jumper block is towards the back of the
computer. </div>
<div>Despite ADTPro capability to setup the switches
thought software in the Apple IIC, personally I've never
succeeded to do so. For me. It only worked on IIe with
super serial card</div>
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<div dir="ltr" id="divRplyFwdMsg"><b>From:</b>
BlindApple <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E"
href="mailto:blindapple-bounces@bluegrasspals.com"
moz-do-not-send="true"><blindapple-bounces@bluegrasspals.com></a>
on behalf of Tiny Puppy-butchb <a
class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E"
href="mailto:butchb@fairpoint.net"
moz-do-not-send="true"><butchb@fairpoint.net></a><br>
<b>Sent:</b> October 21, 2020 3:58 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Blind Apple Discussions <a
class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E"
href="mailto:blindapple@bluegrasspals.com"
moz-do-not-send="true"><blindapple@bluegrasspals.com></a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Blindapple] Fwd: Re: introduction
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<div>Thanks much. I'm certain I set switches up
properly, I assume bank 1 is toward front of
computer and s1 is also toward the front? </div>
<div>I tried several cables. I also tried my 2c which
I can't get to communicate at all. I ordered the 2
c serial cable from the page you mentioned, but I
suspect it is meant for com 2, which is where the
cricket has to plug in. I also have another 2 e
which I'll drag out just to see if something there
is strange. Thanks. </div>
<div> </div>
<div>----- Original Message -----
<div><b>From:</b> <a title="cmelloni@hotmail.com"
href="mailto:cmelloni@hotmail.com"
moz-do-not-send="true">A B</a> </div>
<div><b>To:</b> <a
title="blindapple@bluegrasspals.com"
href="mailto:blindapple@bluegrasspals.com"
moz-do-not-send="true">Apple Discussions</a> </div>
<div><b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, October 20, 2020 8:37 PM</div>
<div><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Blindapple] Fwd: Re:
introduction</div>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Based on your description, it seems you have a
setup issue. A few suggestions from the ADTPro
website:</div>
<div>1) Check the serial cable. There are two types of
cables: straight-through or of the null modem. You
need to setup your serial card jumper block
accordingly</div>
<div>2) Check the position of the terminal block
jumper on the card: for straight-through cable, the
terminal block should point down. For null-modem
cable, the terminal block should point Up</div>
<div>2) Check the position of the card switch SW1 and
SW2. They should be setup as SW1: 1001111 SW2:
1101100. Where <tt>0</tt> means <tt>off,</tt> <tt>down,</tt>
or <tt>open,</tt> and <tt>1</tt> means <tt>on,</tt>
<tt>up,</tt> or <tt>closed.</tt></div>
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</div>
<div>More details in <a
href="https://www.adtpro.com/connectionsserial.html"
moz-do-not-send="true">https://www.adtpro.com/connectionsserial.html</a><br>
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<div dir="ltr" id="x_divRplyFwdMsg"><b>From:</b>
BlindApple <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E"
href="mailto:blindapple-bounces@bluegrasspals.com"
moz-do-not-send="true"><blindapple-bounces@bluegrasspals.com></a>
on behalf of Jayson Smith <a
class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E"
href="mailto:jaybird@bluegrasspals.com"
moz-do-not-send="true"><jaybird@bluegrasspals.com></a><br>
<b>Sent:</b> October 20, 2020 9:42 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Apple Discussions <a
class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E"
href="mailto:blindapple@bluegrasspals.com"
moz-do-not-send="true"><blindapple@bluegrasspals.com></a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> [Blindapple] Fwd: Re: introduction
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<p>Hi,</p>
<p><br>
</p>
<p>This message was supposed to go to the list,
but the poster wrote to me privately instead.</p>
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<td>Mon, 19 Oct 2020 22:33:13 -0600</td>
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<div>I've written Jayson off list, and he
suggested I write to the list. I have
followed the instructions according to the
manual using a super serial card set as manual
says. When trying to send any program to the
apple, I get a ton of beeps and nothing is
saved. I ran a terminal program on the
windows box and am able to send say a catalog
command to the apple, but I get garbage back.
Kind of reminds me of when we had characters
with 8th bit on. I've fought this thing all
week end. I've tried 3 different windows
boxes. I only have the one super serial card,
so have ordered another one on ebay. I also
dug out my 2 c with a cricket synthesizer, and
can't get the computers to talk to each other
no matter what I do. The cricket has to be in
com 2 so I'm using com 1. Trying to set baud
and such with either ctrl a or ctrl i commands
and running through all baud settings in
teraterm, I can't get machines to communicate
at all. Tried a null movem with no luck
either. I can't figure what I'm missing. I'm
using the files Jayson sent. </div>
<div> </div>
<div>Thanks. </div>
<div>I've fought this thing for so many hours,
I'm forgetting what all I've tried. </div>
<div> </div>
<div>----- Original Message -----
<div><b>From:</b> <a
title="jaybird@bluegrasspals.com"
href="mailto:jaybird@bluegrasspals.com"
moz-do-not-send="true">Jayson Smith</a> </div>
<div><b>To:</b> <a
title="butchb@fairpoint.net"
href="mailto:butchb@fairpoint.net"
moz-do-not-send="true">Tiny Puppy-butchb</a>
; <a title="blindapple@bluegrasspals.com"
href="mailto:blindapple@bluegrasspals.com"
moz-do-not-send="true">Apple Discussions</a>
</div>
<div><b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, October 06, 2020
8:26 PM</div>
<div><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Blindapple]
introduction</div>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div class="x_x_moz-cite-prefix">Hi,</div>
<div class="x_x_moz-cite-prefix"><br>
</div>
<div class="x_x_moz-cite-prefix">Putting this on
the list in case anyone else wants to give ADT
a go.</div>
<div class="x_x_moz-cite-prefix"><br>
</div>
<div class="x_x_moz-cite-prefix">Okay, here is
ADT. <br>
<a class="x_x_moz-txt-link-freetext"
href="http://bluegrasspals.com/adt.zip"
moz-do-not-send="true">http://bluegrasspals.com/adt.zip</a><br>
When you unzip it, you'll find several files,
as follows: <br>
<br>
adt.asm: Assembly source code for Apple II ADT
program <br>
adt.dmp: ADT Apple program, hex dump to be
sent to the Apple <br>
adt.exe: ADT Windows program, what you run on
the PC <br>
adt123.dsk: ADT Apple disk image <br>
Adtcfg.bas: Dump of an Applesoft program to
configure ADT, send this to the Apple <br>
adtn.dmp: Same as adt.dmp but without line
feeds for terminal programs that can't strip
them <br>
adtn_dmp_info.txt: Info about dump files <br>
ADT_doc.txt: ADT documentation <br>
GPL.TXT: Gnu General Public License <br>
Manual.txt: Complete ADT manual <br>
readme.txt: Brief Readme for ADT <br>
<br>
To get started, boot up a DOS 3.3 disk,
disable Textalker with Ctrl-E, O if necessary,
then have a disk in slot 6, drive 1, with
plenty of free space. Then, follow the
instructions in manual.txt to establish
communication between your Apple and PC and
send either adt.dmp, or if your comm program
can't strip line feeds, adtn.dmp. At the end
of the process it should save a binary file
called ADT and leave you at an Applesoft
prompt. <br>
<br>
Then, use the same procedure to send
adtcfg.bas to your Apple, and it should save
as an Applesoft program called ADT
CONFIGURATION. <br>
<br>
The default configuration on the Apple side is
that disks read or written are in slot 6,
drive 1. The Super Serial card is in slot 2,
and the speed is 19200 BAUD. If that's not
what you want, run adt configuration to change
it. <br>
<br>
Now run the PC program adt.exe. Choose the
serial port and speed, and hit Connect. Once
that's done, BRUNADT to start ADT on the Apple
side. The program will not talk, but is very
easy to use. I think at this point the status
line on the PC should say it's connected. <br>
<br>
Now to send a disk, put that disk in the drive
and hit S, then type a filename, ending with
.dsk is recommended, and hit Enter. The Apple
should start reading the disk, and sending it.
The disk image will be stored wherever adt.exe
is, or in your current working directory. <br>
<br>
When any operation completes, you'll hear a
two-tone beep. If you hear this beep
unexpectedly, it means there was some sort of
error. If you send a disk, and the drive spins
for a few seconds then nothing happens, and
you don't hear the beep, there's probably a
communication problem. I think the program
will prevent you from overwriting an existing
file on the PC. <br>
<br>
To receive a disk, first be very, very sure
the disk in the drive doesn't contain anything
valuable. It also must have been initialized.
ADT gives you absolutely no warnings about
erasing data, it assumes you know what you are
doing. Type R, enter a filename, and hit
Enter. The disk will spin for a bit, then the
PC will start sending the disk image in
chunks, and the Apple will write it to the
disk. Absolutely everything that was on the
disk will be totally destroyed and overwritten
with the new material. <br>
<br>
If the drive just spins for a bit, then you
hear a beep, that probably means that file
doesn't exist in the directory on the PC. <br>
<br>
Remember that all disk transfer commands are
from the Apple perspective. When you send, you
are sending an image from the Apple to the PC.
When you receive, you are receiving an image
from the PC to the Apple.<br>
<br>
To exit the program, just hit Q. <br>
<br>
A few notes. This program uses data
compression, so especially if a disk has a lot
of empty space, it'll transfer more quickly.
Also, all transfers are done in seven-track
chunks, which means when sending, the Apple
will read seven tracks, send them, read seven
more tracks, send them, etc. When receiving,
the reverse will happen. <br>
<br>
I recommend keeping the ADT binary file and
ADT CONFIGURATION Applesoft program in a safe
place. If you lose it or accidentally
overwrite it with something else, you'll have
to do the whole bootstrapping process all over
again.<br>
<br>
If you have any questions, please let me know!
<br>
Hope this helps, <br>
<br>
Jayson <br>
<br>
</div>
<div class="x_x_moz-cite-prefix">On 10/6/2020
9:28 PM, Tiny Puppy-butchb wrote:<br>
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<div>Think I sent you a note saying aI wanted
more info, not sure. Anyhow, I hope the
program on the apple end talks? Also, I
assume I'll have to use terminal programs to
move the program from this computer to the 2
e? </div>
<div>Thanks. </div>
<div> </div>
<div>----- Original Message -----
<div><b>From:</b> <a
title="jaybird@bluegrasspals.com"
href="mailto:jaybird@bluegrasspals.com"
moz-do-not-send="true">Jayson Smith</a>
</div>
<div><b>To:</b> <a
title="butchb@fairpoint.net"
href="mailto:butchb@fairpoint.net"
moz-do-not-send="true">Tiny Puppy-butchb</a>
; <a title="blindapple@bluegrasspals.com"
href="mailto:blindapple@bluegrasspals.com" moz-do-not-send="true">Apple
Discussions</a> </div>
<div><b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, October 06, 2020
12:52 AM</div>
<div><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Blindapple]
introduction</div>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div class="x_x_moz-cite-prefix">Hi,</div>
<div class="x_x_moz-cite-prefix"><br>
</div>
<div class="x_x_moz-cite-prefix">You can
transfer 5.25 inch disks formatted for
either DOS 3.3 and ProDOS, and which are not
copy protected, using a program called Apple
Disk Transfer. The version I have requires a
Super Serial card in your Apple, and a
Windows PC for the receiving side. I got
Jeff Weiss, who is on this list, set up with
ADT a few years ago so he could transfer all
his Apple Talk magazine disks, which he did
successfully. If you want more info, just
let me know.</div>
<div class="x_x_moz-cite-prefix"><br>
</div>
<div class="x_x_moz-cite-prefix">Jayson</div>
<div class="x_x_moz-cite-prefix"><br>
</div>
<div class="x_x_moz-cite-prefix">On 10/6/2020
1:01 AM, Tiny Puppy-butchb wrote:<br>
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<div>I got some stuff downloaded that I run
at the command prompt in windows. As far
as what I have on actual disks, it has
been a long long time. I did find
kidnapped, which I use to play. Haven't
found stoneville manor yet. I don't have
a clue how to turn those disks into
images. I also have lots of eamon disks,
beagle brothers stuff and things like
that. </div>
<div> </div>
<div>----- Original Message -----
<div><b>From:</b> <a
title="cmelloni@hotmail.com"
href="mailto:cmelloni@hotmail.com"
moz-do-not-send="true">A B</a> </div>
<div><b>To:</b> <a
title="blindapple@bluegrasspals.com"
href="mailto:blindapple@bluegrasspals.com"
moz-do-not-send="true">blindapple@bluegrasspals.com</a>
</div>
<div><b>Sent:</b> Monday, October 05, 2020
7:28 PM</div>
<div><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Blindapple]
introduction</div>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Welcome to the list. I'm curious to
know the major titles you have in
collection.</div>
<div>You can also find many apple2 related
applications in the Asimov ftp server<br>
</div>
<div><a
href="https://mirrors.apple2.org.za/ftp.apple.asimov.net/"
moz-do-not-send="true">https://mirrors.apple2.org.za/ftp.apple.asimov.net/</a><br>
</div>
<div>
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<div dir="ltr" id="x_x_divRplyFwdMsg"><b>From:</b>
BlindApple <<a
href="mailto:blindapple-bounces@bluegrasspals.com"
moz-do-not-send="true">blindapple-bounces@bluegrasspals.com</a>>
on behalf of Tiny Puppy-butchb <<a
href="mailto:butchb@fairpoint.net"
moz-do-not-send="true">butchb@fairpoint.net</a>><br>
<b>Sent:</b> October 6, 2020 12:22 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a
class="x_x_moz-txt-link-abbreviated"
href="mailto:blindapple@bluegrasspals.com"
moz-do-not-send="true">blindapple@bluegrasspals.com</a>
<a class="x_x_moz-txt-link-rfc2396E"
href="mailto:blindapple@bluegrasspals.com"
moz-do-not-send="true"><blindapple@bluegrasspals.com></a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> [Blindapple]
introduction
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this list. My first computer was an
apple 2 e which <br>
I still have. I plan on digging out
my 2 e soon, still have the <br>
disks as well as a ten meg prodos
scsii external drive. My 2 e <br>
also has I think 8 meg of ram on a
card that took 36 256k chips.<br>
Looking forward to lots of old apple
stuff.<br>
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