<p dir="ltr">It'd be cool if that were on the dropbox folder, or did I miss something?<br>
</p>
<br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Thu, Oct 22, 2020, 2:41 PM Tiny Puppy-butchb <<a href="mailto:butchb@fairpoint.net">butchb@fairpoint.net</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><u></u>
<div bgcolor="#ffffff">
<div><font size="2" face="Arial">What is your private e-mail and I cand send you one
if you want, Not what versions of textalker are on it. It will run
on cricket or 2c I think and It may not have phonenumber</font></div>
<div> </div>
<div style="FONT:10pt arial">----- Original Message -----
<div style="BACKGROUND:#e4e4e4"><b>From:</b> <a title="bstephens122874@shaw.ca" href="mailto:bstephens122874@shaw.ca" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">Byron
Stephens</a> </div>
<div><b>To:</b> <a title="blindapple@bluegrasspals.com" href="mailto:blindapple@bluegrasspals.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">Blind Apple Discussions</a> </div>
<div><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, October 22, 2020 3:04 PM</div>
<div><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Blindapple] Fwd: Re: introduction</div></div>
<div><br></div>
<div><font size="2" face="Arial">Dos 3.3 had so many games, and also the old version
of textalker version 1.3 witch I like over the later versions. Every disk I had
even back in the day that had textalker 3.1.3 I took it off and put the old
textalker on them.</font></div>
<blockquote style="BORDER-LEFT:#000000 2px solid;PADDING-LEFT:5px;PADDING-RIGHT:0px;MARGIN-LEFT:5px;MARGIN-RIGHT:0px">
<div style="FONT:10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </div>
<div style="FONT:10pt arial;BACKGROUND:#e4e4e4"><b>From:</b>
<a title="joseph.norton@gmail.com" href="mailto:joseph.norton@gmail.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">Joseph
Norton</a> </div>
<div style="FONT:10pt arial"><b>To:</b> <a title="blindapple@bluegrasspals.com" href="mailto:blindapple@bluegrasspals.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">Blind Apple Discussions</a> </div>
<div style="FONT:10pt arial"><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, October 22, 2020 1:56
PM</div>
<div style="FONT:10pt arial"><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Blindapple] Fwd: Re:
introduction</div>
<div><br></div>
<div>Hi Butch:</div>
<div><br></div>
<div>Glad you got it working.</div>
<div><br></div>
<div>If you want to send one of them to my Gmail it should be able to take an
attachment that size.</div>
<div><br></div>
<div>I can let you know if everything went OK on this end.</div>
<div><br></div>
<div>Thanks</div>
<div><br>
<div dir="ltr">Sent from my iPhone</div>
<div dir="ltr"><br>
<blockquote type="cite">On Oct 22, 2020, at 12:11 AM, Tiny Puppy-butchb
<<a href="mailto:butchb@fairpoint.net" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">butchb@fairpoint.net</a>>
wrote:<br><br></blockquote></div>
<blockquote type="cite">
<div dir="ltr">
<div><font size="2" face="Arial">Well, I finally got it to work. I'm not
certain it was worth this hastle, but hated to give up. I set switches
as you suggested, also turned the jumper over so I could use a straight
cable, although I don't think my null modem ones were the problem.
What I finally did was drag out an old windows copy of a program called
secureterm. It let me strip off the 8gh bit and also set a delay
between lines. That finally did the trick as far as the adp program
went. I tried and tried, but never could get the basic to transfer
right. It kept screwing up line numbers. Once I got the other
working, I did some apple images and also restored the adt123 disk so I now
have the basic configuration program if I want it. I am still looking
for a lot of my apple disks, but do have prodos master, and dos 3.3, as well
as a bunch of text games. Still looking for my eamon disks. I'll
have to figure out where to put these if any one wants them. I've
fought this thing since last Friday. Never did get the 2 c to work,
they are just one strange computer. One of mine won't even boot
up. </font></div>
<div><font size="2" face="Arial"></font> </div>
<div><font size="2" face="Arial">Thanks everyone for your help.
</font></div>
<div> </div>
<div style="FONT:10pt arial">----- Original Message -----
<div style="BACKGROUND:#e4e4e4"><b>From:</b> <a title="cmelloni@hotmail.com" href="mailto:cmelloni@hotmail.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">A B</a> </div>
<div><b>To:</b> <a title="blindapple@bluegrasspals.com" href="mailto:blindapple@bluegrasspals.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">Blind Apple Discussions</a>
</div>
<div><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, October 21, 2020 8:00 PM</div>
<div><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Blindapple] Fwd: Re: introduction</div></div>
<div><br></div>
<div style="FONT-FAMILY:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif;COLOR:rgb(0,0,0);FONT-SIZE:12pt">Yes,
switch 1 (SW1) is towards the front of the computer. switch 2 (SW2) is on
its right side holding the super serial card with the component side facing
you.</div>
<div style="FONT-FAMILY:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif;COLOR:rgb(0,0,0);FONT-SIZE:12pt">The
jumper block is towards the back of the computer. </div>
<div style="FONT-FAMILY:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif;COLOR:rgb(0,0,0);FONT-SIZE:12pt">Despite
ADTPro capability to setup the switches thought software in the Apple IIC,
personally I've never succeeded to do so. For me. It only worked on IIe with
super serial card</div>
<div>
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<div style="FONT-FAMILY:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif;COLOR:rgb(0,0,0);FONT-SIZE:12pt"><br></div>
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<div dir="ltr" id="m_5690456605914448792divRplyFwdMsg"><font style="FONT-SIZE:11pt" color="#000000" face="Calibri, sans-serif"><b>From:</b> BlindApple
<<a href="mailto:blindapple-bounces@bluegrasspals.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">blindapple-bounces@bluegrasspals.com</a>> on behalf of Tiny Puppy-butchb
<<a href="mailto:butchb@fairpoint.net" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">butchb@fairpoint.net</a>><br><b>Sent:</b> October 21, 2020 3:58
AM<br><b>To:</b> Blind Apple Discussions
<<a href="mailto:blindapple@bluegrasspals.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">blindapple@bluegrasspals.com</a>><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Blindapple]
Fwd: Re: introduction</font>
<div> </div></div>
<div style="BACKGROUND-COLOR:#ffffff" dir="ltr">
<div><font size="2" face="Arial">Thanks much. I'm certain I set switches
up properly, I assume bank 1 is toward front of computer and s1 is also
toward the front? </font></div>
<div><font size="2" face="Arial">I tried several cables. I also tried my
2c which I can't get to communicate at all. I ordered the 2 c serial
cable from the page you mentioned, but I suspect it is meant for com 2,
which is where the cricket has to plug in. I also have another 2 e
which I'll drag out just to see if something there is strange. Thanks.
</font></div>
<div> </div>
<div style="FONT:10pt arial">----- Original Message -----
<div style="BACKGROUND:#e4e4e4"><b>From:</b> <a title="cmelloni@hotmail.com" href="mailto:cmelloni@hotmail.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">A B</a> </div>
<div><b>To:</b> <a title="blindapple@bluegrasspals.com" href="mailto:blindapple@bluegrasspals.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">Apple Discussions</a> </div>
<div><b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, October 20, 2020 8:37 PM</div>
<div><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Blindapple] Fwd: Re: introduction</div></div>
<div><br></div>
<div style="BACKGROUND-COLOR:transparent;FONT-FAMILY:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif;COLOR:rgb(0,0,0);FONT-SIZE:12pt">Based
on your description, it seems you have a setup issue. A few suggestions from
the ADTPro website:</div>
<div style="BACKGROUND-COLOR:transparent;FONT-FAMILY:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif;COLOR:rgb(0,0,0);FONT-SIZE:12pt">1)
Check the serial cable. There are two types of cables: straight-through or
of the null modem. You need to setup your serial card jumper block
accordingly</div>
<div style="BACKGROUND-COLOR:transparent;FONT-FAMILY:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif;COLOR:rgb(0,0,0);FONT-SIZE:12pt">2)
Check the position of the terminal block jumper on the card:
for straight-through cable, the terminal block should point down. For
null-modem cable, the terminal block should point Up</div>
<div style="BACKGROUND-COLOR:transparent;FONT-FAMILY:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif;COLOR:rgb(0,0,0);FONT-SIZE:12pt">2)
Check the position of the card switch SW1 and SW2. They should be setup as
SW1: 1001111 SW2: 1101100. Where <tt>0</tt> means <tt>off,</tt>
<tt>down,</tt> or <tt>open,</tt> and <tt>1</tt> means <tt>on,</tt>
<tt>up,</tt> or <tt>closed.</tt></div>
<div style="BACKGROUND-COLOR:transparent;FONT-FAMILY:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif;COLOR:rgb(0,0,0);FONT-SIZE:12pt"><br></div>
<div style="BACKGROUND-COLOR:transparent;FONT-FAMILY:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif;COLOR:rgb(0,0,0);FONT-SIZE:12pt">More
details in <a href="https://www.adtpro.com/connectionsserial.html" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">https://www.adtpro.com/connectionsserial.html</a><br></div>
<div>
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<div style="FONT-FAMILY:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif;COLOR:rgb(0,0,0);FONT-SIZE:12pt"><br></div>
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<div dir="ltr" id="m_5690456605914448792x_divRplyFwdMsg"><font style="FONT-SIZE:11pt" color="#000000" face="Calibri, sans-serif"><b>From:</b> BlindApple
<<a href="mailto:blindapple-bounces@bluegrasspals.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">blindapple-bounces@bluegrasspals.com</a>> on behalf of Jayson Smith
<<a href="mailto:jaybird@bluegrasspals.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">jaybird@bluegrasspals.com</a>><br><b>Sent:</b> October 20, 2020 9:42
AM<br><b>To:</b> Apple Discussions
<<a href="mailto:blindapple@bluegrasspals.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">blindapple@bluegrasspals.com</a>><br><b>Subject:</b> [Blindapple] Fwd:
Re: introduction</font>
<div> </div></div>
<div>
<p style="MARGIN-TOP:0px;MARGIN-BOTTOM:0px">Hi,</p>
<p style="MARGIN-TOP:0px;MARGIN-BOTTOM:0px"><br></p>
<p style="MARGIN-TOP:0px;MARGIN-BOTTOM:0px">This message was supposed to
go to the list, but the poster wrote to me privately instead.</p>
<p style="MARGIN-TOP:0px;MARGIN-BOTTOM:0px"><br></p>
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<tbody>
<tr>
<th valign="baseline" nowrap align="right">Subject: </th>
<td>Re: [Blindapple] introduction</td></tr>
<tr>
<th valign="baseline" nowrap align="right">Date: </th>
<td>Mon, 19 Oct 2020 22:33:13 -0600</td></tr>
<tr>
<th valign="baseline" nowrap align="right">From: </th>
<td>Tiny Puppy-butchb <a href="mailto:butchb@fairpoint.net" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer"><butchb@fairpoint.net></a></td></tr>
<tr>
<th valign="baseline" nowrap align="right">To: </th>
<td>Jayson Smith <a href="mailto:jaybird@bluegrasspals.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer"><jaybird@bluegrasspals.com></a></td></tr></tbody></table><br><br>
<div><font size="2" face="Arial">I've written Jayson off list, and he suggested
I write to the list. I have followed the instructions according
to the manual using a super serial card set as manual says. When
trying to send any program to the apple, I get a ton of beeps and nothing is
saved. I ran a terminal program on the windows box and am able to send
say a catalog command to the apple, but I get garbage back. Kind of
reminds me of when we had characters with 8th bit on. I've fought this
thing all week end. I've tried 3 different windows boxes. I only
have the one super serial card, so have ordered another one on ebay. I
also dug out my 2 c with a cricket synthesizer, and can't get the computers
to talk to each other no matter what I do. The cricket has to be in
com 2 so I'm using com 1. Trying to set baud and such with either ctrl
a or ctrl i commands and running through all baud settings in teraterm, I
can't get machines to communicate at all. Tried a null movem with no
luck either. I can't figure what I'm missing. I'm using the
files Jayson sent. </font></div>
<div> </div>
<div><font size="2" face="Arial">Thanks. </font></div>
<div><font size="2" face="Arial">I've fought this thing for so many hours, I'm
forgetting what all I've tried. </font></div>
<div> </div>
<div style="FONT:10pt arial">----- Original Message -----
<div style="BACKGROUND:#e4e4e4"><b>From:</b> <a title="jaybird@bluegrasspals.com" href="mailto:jaybird@bluegrasspals.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">Jayson Smith</a> </div>
<div><b>To:</b> <a title="butchb@fairpoint.net" href="mailto:butchb@fairpoint.net" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">Tiny Puppy-butchb</a> ; <a title="blindapple@bluegrasspals.com" href="mailto:blindapple@bluegrasspals.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">Apple Discussions</a> </div>
<div><b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, October 06, 2020 8:26 PM</div>
<div><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Blindapple] introduction</div></div>
<div><br></div>
<div>Hi,</div>
<div><br></div>
<div>Putting this on the list in case anyone else
wants to give ADT a go.</div>
<div><br></div>
<div>Okay, here is ADT. <br><a href="http://bluegrasspals.com/adt.zip" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">http://bluegrasspals.com/adt.zip</a><br>When
you unzip it, you'll find several files, as follows: <br><br>adt.asm:
Assembly source code for Apple II ADT program <br>adt.dmp: ADT Apple
program, hex dump to be sent to the Apple <br>adt.exe: ADT Windows program,
what you run on the PC <br>adt123.dsk: ADT Apple disk image <br>Adtcfg.bas:
Dump of an Applesoft program to configure ADT, send this to the Apple
<br>adtn.dmp: Same as adt.dmp but without line feeds for terminal programs
that can't strip them <br>adtn_dmp_info.txt: Info about dump files
<br>ADT_doc.txt: ADT documentation <br>GPL.TXT: Gnu General Public License
<br>Manual.txt: Complete ADT manual <br>readme.txt: Brief Readme for ADT
<br><br>To get started, boot up a DOS 3.3 disk, disable Textalker with
Ctrl-E, O if necessary, then have a disk in slot 6, drive 1, with plenty of
free space. Then, follow the instructions in manual.txt to establish
communication between your Apple and PC and send either adt.dmp, or if your
comm program can't strip line feeds, adtn.dmp. At the end of the process it
should save a binary file called ADT and leave you at an Applesoft prompt.
<br><br>Then, use the same procedure to send adtcfg.bas to your Apple, and
it should save as an Applesoft program called ADT CONFIGURATION. <br><br>The
default configuration on the Apple side is that disks read or written are in
slot 6, drive 1. The Super Serial card is in slot 2, and the speed is 19200
BAUD. If that's not what you want, run adt configuration to change it.
<br><br>Now run the PC program adt.exe. Choose the serial port and speed,
and hit Connect. Once that's done, BRUNADT to start ADT on the Apple side.
The program will not talk, but is very easy to use. I think at this point
the status line on the PC should say it's connected. <br><br>Now to send a
disk, put that disk in the drive and hit S, then type a filename, ending
with .dsk is recommended, and hit Enter. The Apple should start reading the
disk, and sending it. The disk image will be stored wherever adt.exe is, or
in your current working directory. <br><br>When any operation completes,
you'll hear a two-tone beep. If you hear this beep unexpectedly, it means
there was some sort of error. If you send a disk, and the drive spins for a
few seconds then nothing happens, and you don't hear the beep, there's
probably a communication problem. I think the program will prevent you from
overwriting an existing file on the PC. <br><br>To receive a disk, first be
very, very sure the disk in the drive doesn't contain anything valuable. It
also must have been initialized. ADT gives you absolutely no warnings about
erasing data, it assumes you know what you are doing. Type R, enter a
filename, and hit Enter. The disk will spin for a bit, then the PC will
start sending the disk image in chunks, and the Apple will write it to the
disk. Absolutely everything that was on the disk will be totally destroyed
and overwritten with the new material. <br><br>If the drive just spins for a
bit, then you hear a beep, that probably means that file doesn't exist in
the directory on the PC. <br><br>Remember that all disk transfer commands
are from the Apple perspective. When you send, you are sending an image from
the Apple to the PC. When you receive, you are receiving an image from the
PC to the Apple.<br><br>To exit the program, just hit Q. <br><br>A few
notes. This program uses data compression, so especially if a disk has a lot
of empty space, it'll transfer more quickly. Also, all transfers are done in
seven-track chunks, which means when sending, the Apple will read seven
tracks, send them, read seven more tracks, send them, etc. When receiving,
the reverse will happen. <br><br>I recommend keeping the ADT binary file and
ADT CONFIGURATION Applesoft program in a safe place. If you lose it or
accidentally overwrite it with something else, you'll have to do the whole
bootstrapping process all over again.<br><br>If you have any questions,
please let me know! <br>Hope this helps, <br><br>Jayson <br><br></div>
<div>On 10/6/2020 9:28 PM, Tiny Puppy-butchb
wrote:<br></div>
<blockquote type="cite">
<div>Think I sent you a note saying aI wanted more info, not sure.
Anyhow, I hope the program on the apple end talks? Also, I assume
I'll have to use terminal programs to move the program from this computer
to the 2 e? </div>
<div>Thanks. </div>
<div> </div>
<div>----- Original Message -----
<div><b>From:</b> <a title="jaybird@bluegrasspals.com" href="mailto:jaybird@bluegrasspals.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">Jayson Smith</a> </div>
<div><b>To:</b> <a title="butchb@fairpoint.net" href="mailto:butchb@fairpoint.net" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">Tiny Puppy-butchb</a> ; <a title="blindapple@bluegrasspals.com" href="mailto:blindapple@bluegrasspals.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">Apple Discussions</a> </div>
<div><b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, October 06, 2020 12:52 AM</div>
<div><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Blindapple] introduction</div></div>
<div><br></div>
<div>Hi,</div>
<div><br></div>
<div>You can transfer 5.25 inch disks formatted
for either DOS 3.3 and ProDOS, and which are not copy protected, using a
program called Apple Disk Transfer. The version I have requires a Super
Serial card in your Apple, and a Windows PC for the receiving side. I got
Jeff Weiss, who is on this list, set up with ADT a few years ago so he
could transfer all his Apple Talk magazine disks, which he did
successfully. If you want more info, just let me know.</div>
<div><br></div>
<div>Jayson</div>
<div><br></div>
<div>On 10/6/2020 1:01 AM, Tiny Puppy-butchb
wrote:<br></div>
<blockquote type="cite">
<div>I got some stuff downloaded that I run at the command prompt in
windows. As far as what I have on actual disks, it has been a long
long time. I did find kidnapped, which I use to play.
Haven't found stoneville manor yet. I don't have a clue how to
turn those disks into images. I also have lots of eamon disks,
beagle brothers stuff and things like that. </div>
<div> </div>
<div>----- Original Message -----
<div><b>From:</b> <a title="cmelloni@hotmail.com" href="mailto:cmelloni@hotmail.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">A B</a> </div>
<div><b>To:</b> <a title="blindapple@bluegrasspals.com" href="mailto:blindapple@bluegrasspals.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">blindapple@bluegrasspals.com</a>
</div>
<div><b>Sent:</b> Monday, October 05, 2020 7:28 PM</div>
<div><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Blindapple] introduction</div></div>
<div><br></div>
<div>Welcome to the list. I'm curious to know the major titles you have
in collection.</div>
<div>You can also find many apple2 related applications in the Asimov
ftp server<br></div>
<div><a href="https://mirrors.apple2.org.za/ftp.apple.asimov.net/" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">https://mirrors.apple2.org.za/ftp.apple.asimov.net/</a><br></div>
<div>
<div><br></div>
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on behalf of Tiny Puppy-butchb <<a href="mailto:butchb@fairpoint.net" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">butchb@fairpoint.net</a>><br><b>Sent:</b>
October 6, 2020 12:22 AM<br><b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:blindapple@bluegrasspals.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">blindapple@bluegrasspals.com</a>
<a href="mailto:blindapple@bluegrasspals.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer"><blindapple@bluegrasspals.com></a><br><b>Subject:</b>
[Blindapple] introduction
<div> </div></div>
<div><span>
<div>Just joined this list. My first computer
was an apple 2 e which <br>I still have. I plan on digging out my
2 e soon, still have the <br>disks as well as a ten meg prodos scsii
external drive. My 2 e <br>also has I think 8 meg of ram on a card
that took 36 256k chips.<br>Looking forward to lots of old apple
stuff.<br>Butch<br><br><a href="mailto:butchb@fairpoint.net" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">butchb@fairpoint.net</a><br>Butch
Bussen<br>WA0VJR<br>node 3148
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