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<td>Tiny Puppy-butchb <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:butchb@fairpoint.net"><butchb@fairpoint.net></a></td>
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<div><font size="2" face="Arial">I've written Jayson off list, and
he suggested I write to the list. I have followed the
instructions according to the manual using a super serial
card set as manual says. When trying to send any program to
the apple, I get a ton of beeps and nothing is saved. I ran a
terminal program on the windows box and am able to send say a
catalog command to the apple, but I get garbage back. Kind of
reminds me of when we had characters with 8th bit on. I've
fought this thing all week end. I've tried 3 different
windows boxes. I only have the one super serial card, so have
ordered another one on ebay. I also dug out my 2 c with a
cricket synthesizer, and can't get the computers to talk to
each other no matter what I do. The cricket has to be in com
2 so I'm using com 1. Trying to set baud and such with either
ctrl a or ctrl i commands and running through all baud
settings in teraterm, I can't get machines to communicate at
all. Tried a null movem with no luck either. I can't figure
what I'm missing. I'm using the files Jayson sent. </font></div>
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<div><font size="2" face="Arial">Thanks. </font></div>
<div><font size="2" face="Arial">I've fought this thing for so
many hours, I'm forgetting what all I've tried. </font></div>
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<div style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; font-color: black"><b>From:</b>
<a title="jaybird@bluegrasspals.com"
href="mailto:jaybird@bluegrasspals.com"
moz-do-not-send="true">Jayson Smith</a> </div>
<div><b>To:</b> <a title="butchb@fairpoint.net"
href="mailto:butchb@fairpoint.net" moz-do-not-send="true">Tiny
Puppy-butchb</a> ; <a title="blindapple@bluegrasspals.com"
href="mailto:blindapple@bluegrasspals.com"
moz-do-not-send="true">Apple Discussions</a> </div>
<div><b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, October 06, 2020 8:26 PM</div>
<div><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Blindapple] introduction</div>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Hi,</div>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Putting this on the list in case
anyone else wants to give ADT a go.</div>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Okay, here is ADT. <br>
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext"
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When you unzip it, you'll find several files, as follows: <br>
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adt.asm: Assembly source code for Apple II ADT program <br>
adt.dmp: ADT Apple program, hex dump to be sent to the Apple <br>
adt.exe: ADT Windows program, what you run on the PC <br>
adt123.dsk: ADT Apple disk image <br>
Adtcfg.bas: Dump of an Applesoft program to configure ADT, send
this to the Apple <br>
adtn.dmp: Same as adt.dmp but without line feeds for terminal
programs that can't strip them <br>
adtn_dmp_info.txt: Info about dump files <br>
ADT_doc.txt: ADT documentation <br>
GPL.TXT: Gnu General Public License <br>
Manual.txt: Complete ADT manual <br>
readme.txt: Brief Readme for ADT <br>
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To get started, boot up a DOS 3.3 disk, disable Textalker with
Ctrl-E, O if necessary, then have a disk in slot 6, drive 1,
with plenty of free space. Then, follow the instructions in
manual.txt to establish communication between your Apple and PC
and send either adt.dmp, or if your comm program can't strip
line feeds, adtn.dmp. At the end of the process it should save a
binary file called ADT and leave you at an Applesoft prompt. <br>
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Then, use the same procedure to send adtcfg.bas to your Apple,
and it should save as an Applesoft program called ADT
CONFIGURATION. <br>
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The default configuration on the Apple side is that disks read
or written are in slot 6, drive 1. The Super Serial card is in
slot 2, and the speed is 19200 BAUD. If that's not what you
want, run adt configuration to change it. <br>
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Now run the PC program adt.exe. Choose the serial port and
speed, and hit Connect. Once that's done, BRUNADT to start ADT
on the Apple side. The program will not talk, but is very easy
to use. I think at this point the status line on the PC should
say it's connected. <br>
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Now to send a disk, put that disk in the drive and hit S, then
type a filename, ending with .dsk is recommended, and hit Enter.
The Apple should start reading the disk, and sending it. The
disk image will be stored wherever adt.exe is, or in your
current working directory. <br>
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When any operation completes, you'll hear a two-tone beep. If
you hear this beep unexpectedly, it means there was some sort of
error. If you send a disk, and the drive spins for a few seconds
then nothing happens, and you don't hear the beep, there's
probably a communication problem. I think the program will
prevent you from overwriting an existing file on the PC. <br>
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To receive a disk, first be very, very sure the disk in the
drive doesn't contain anything valuable. It also must have been
initialized. ADT gives you absolutely no warnings about erasing
data, it assumes you know what you are doing. Type R, enter a
filename, and hit Enter. The disk will spin for a bit, then the
PC will start sending the disk image in chunks, and the Apple
will write it to the disk. Absolutely everything that was on the
disk will be totally destroyed and overwritten with the new
material. <br>
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If the drive just spins for a bit, then you hear a beep, that
probably means that file doesn't exist in the directory on the
PC. <br>
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Remember that all disk transfer commands are from the Apple
perspective. When you send, you are sending an image from the
Apple to the PC. When you receive, you are receiving an image
from the PC to the Apple.<br>
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To exit the program, just hit Q. <br>
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A few notes. This program uses data compression, so especially
if a disk has a lot of empty space, it'll transfer more quickly.
Also, all transfers are done in seven-track chunks, which means
when sending, the Apple will read seven tracks, send them, read
seven more tracks, send them, etc. When receiving, the reverse
will happen. <br>
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I recommend keeping the ADT binary file and ADT CONFIGURATION
Applesoft program in a safe place. If you lose it or
accidentally overwrite it with something else, you'll have to do
the whole bootstrapping process all over again.<br>
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If you have any questions, please let me know! <br>
Hope this helps, <br>
<br>
Jayson <br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 10/6/2020 9:28 PM, Tiny
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<div>Think I sent you a note saying aI wanted more info, not
sure. Anyhow, I hope the program on the apple end talks?
Also, I assume I'll have to use terminal programs to move the
program from this computer to the 2 e? </div>
<div>Thanks. </div>
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<div><b>From:</b> <a title="jaybird@bluegrasspals.com"
href="mailto:jaybird@bluegrasspals.com"
moz-do-not-send="true">Jayson Smith</a> </div>
<div><b>To:</b> <a title="butchb@fairpoint.net"
href="mailto:butchb@fairpoint.net" moz-do-not-send="true">Tiny
Puppy-butchb</a> ; <a
title="blindapple@bluegrasspals.com"
href="mailto:blindapple@bluegrasspals.com"
moz-do-not-send="true">Apple Discussions</a> </div>
<div><b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, October 06, 2020 12:52 AM</div>
<div><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Blindapple] introduction</div>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Hi,</div>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">You can transfer 5.25 inch disks
formatted for either DOS 3.3 and ProDOS, and which are not
copy protected, using a program called Apple Disk Transfer.
The version I have requires a Super Serial card in your Apple,
and a Windows PC for the receiving side. I got Jeff Weiss, who
is on this list, set up with ADT a few years ago so he could
transfer all his Apple Talk magazine disks, which he did
successfully. If you want more info, just let me know.</div>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Jayson</div>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 10/6/2020 1:01 AM, Tiny
Puppy-butchb wrote:<br>
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<div>I got some stuff downloaded that I run at the command
prompt in windows. As far as what I have on actual disks,
it has been a long long time. I did find kidnapped, which I
use to play. Haven't found stoneville manor yet. I don't
have a clue how to turn those disks into images. I also
have lots of eamon disks, beagle brothers stuff and things
like that. </div>
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<div><b>From:</b> <a title="cmelloni@hotmail.com"
href="mailto:cmelloni@hotmail.com"
moz-do-not-send="true">A B</a> </div>
<div><b>To:</b> <a title="blindapple@bluegrasspals.com"
href="mailto:blindapple@bluegrasspals.com"
moz-do-not-send="true">blindapple@bluegrasspals.com</a>
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<div><b>Sent:</b> Monday, October 05, 2020 7:28 PM</div>
<div><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Blindapple] introduction</div>
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<div>Welcome to the list. I'm curious to know the major titles
you have in collection.</div>
<div>You can also find many apple2 related applications in the
Asimov ftp server<br>
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href="https://mirrors.apple2.org.za/ftp.apple.asimov.net/"
moz-do-not-send="true">https://mirrors.apple2.org.za/ftp.apple.asimov.net/</a><br>
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<div dir="ltr" id="divRplyFwdMsg"><b>From:</b> BlindApple
<<a href="mailto:blindapple-bounces@bluegrasspals.com"
moz-do-not-send="true">blindapple-bounces@bluegrasspals.com</a>>
on behalf of Tiny Puppy-butchb <<a
href="mailto:butchb@fairpoint.net"
moz-do-not-send="true">butchb@fairpoint.net</a>><br>
<b>Sent:</b> October 6, 2020 12:22 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated"
href="mailto:blindapple@bluegrasspals.com"
moz-do-not-send="true">blindapple@bluegrasspals.com</a>
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href="mailto:blindapple@bluegrasspals.com"
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<b>Subject:</b> [Blindapple] introduction
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<div class="PlainText">Just joined this list. My first
computer was an apple 2 e which <br>
I still have. I plan on digging out my 2 e soon,
still have the <br>
disks as well as a ten meg prodos scsii external
drive. My 2 e <br>
also has I think 8 meg of ram on a card that took 36
256k chips.<br>
Looking forward to lots of old apple stuff.<br>
Butch<br>
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Butch Bussen<br>
WA0VJR<br>
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